Someone remind me why anyone uses Gnome again??

I’ve just switched to “Enlightenment” … whereas I can appreciate that it’s got way too many settings for the average user, it’s very customisable and lots of the stuff ‘normal’ people need can be disabled … anyone any idea why World+Dog seems to be using Gnome ??

I used it “years” ago and thought it was ok, but that Gnome seemed to be the focus of attention, hence tended to stick with what the like of Redhat / Ubuntu provided …

In particular, has anyone see “Terminology” which is the Elightened terminal emulator?
Must been seen to be believed, it’s “ls” command effectively gives you inline previews of files …

Gnome…Simple, and it works. That’s wnough surely. :wink:

Nope, and the point is, it doesn’t always work … try using Ubuntu (default desktop) on “NoMachine” - which anyone wanting to do remote graphical support on a Linux box will want to do … used to work on Gnome2 - not on Gnome 3, primarily because composting (default on Gnome3) doesn’t work on remote connections. Enlightenment lets you turn this off. (easily)

Just discovered a new command for “Terminology”; “tybg ”

  • sets the background for your terminal session … but it doesn’t just take image files , currently I have a terminal session open that’s playing a video in the background … mental !! (and the playback is smooth, scaled to the terminal size, and the sound is good) And because it’s evolution, if I resize the terminal window, the video seamlessly resizes and continues to play and the Window is resized …never seen anything like it …

“tycat ” either previews images, or plays back videos, inline in the terminal session … (!)

anyone any idea why World+Dog seems to be using Gnome ??

Are they anymore ?

Terminology looks cool … there’s a PPA for it for Ubuntu:

Well, KDE seems to have died a death, and despite severe critique from Linus, main distros still seem to be sticking with Gnome …
(Redhat, Centos, Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, etc etc …)

I know there are other distros out there not using Gnome, but I’m under the impression Gmom has market share atm …

Linus doesn’t seem to be able to make up his own mind where he stands on Gnome (3) … he hated it, switched and publicly slagged it off only to do a U-turn and say shell extensions had fixed his issues and he switched back … who knows where he stands this week ???

Are Ubuntu and Mint using Gnome ??? … I take it you mean the backend libraries/apps/etc. and not the full DE (gnome-shell) ?

It’s getting more and more difficult to define what constitutes “Gnome” these days … you’ll find bits of it in most DE’s/distros, and AFAIK the FULL thing in very few or none … isn’t that one of the (daft) argument Gnome are using when people slag it off, and why they were/are planning their own distro ?


As for KDE(4), it showed me no mercy the last time I tried it (granted a while ago now) … so I figure I’ll return the favour :wink:

I've just switched to "Enlightenment" .. whereas I can appreciate that it's got way too many settings for the average user, it's very customisable and lots of the stuff 'normal' people need can be disabled .. anyone any idea why World+Dog seems to be using Gnome ??

I have tried Enlightenment with Bodhi last year and was well impressed (though found it litle bit buggy at times) :frowning:


As for KDE(4), it showed me no mercy the last time I tried it (granted a while ago now) .. so I figure I'll return the favour ;)

You should try it. And be surprised by the quality and speed (compared to Gnome 3 Shell and Unity)

Unless I’m going to be surprised by KDE’s speed compared to LXDE … erm, no thanks :slight_smile:

I’m feeling rather settled at the moment … I thought you’d noticed :wink:

Possibly the next time I get bored.

I think Unity is just a different front-end to the Gnome libraries / setup … whereas Enlightenment is a completely different infrastructure. Logging in to Gnome generally takes my machine 20-30 secs … on Enlightenment it’s more like 2-3 secs, just for a start … :slight_smile:

Enlightenment had lots of built-in stuff that you can get through Gnome shell extensions, and then there’s the memory footprint … how much does it gobble on people’s systems?? Without rebooting, I recally ‘top’ telling me that Gnome used to eat between 250 and 500M … whereas Enlightenment is currently showing 157M. (I’m not used to seeing my desktop manager rank #4 on top when sorted by memory usage!!)

It’s just way quicker and more responsive … and the Panels, once you get used to them are way more flexible than anything Gnome ever used to have in Gnome2. I have my screen switcher, task switcher, multi-screen support … and I love the dials on the panel showing current CPU clock speed and current time. I know you can do this with Plugins on Gnome3, but they’re an pain to install, AND they’re typically unstable.

LXDE for me. I always found Gnome 2 to be less logical. Gnome 3 I agree is a real mess. KDE should never be spoken of. Unity also falls in that category. XFCE is light like an elephant.

However, everyone always forgets OpenBox, OSs like CrunchBang are great just because of OpenBox.

But that’s my opinion :stuck_out_tongue:

KDE’s died a death.

No, it hasn’t. Not at all.
Someone is on the process of designing a KDE tablet that should be coming out soon. And you don’t put software from a dead project on new hardware (unless you’re Microsoft of course).

Gnome is nonsense. I’ve been trying out Mint 15 - for some reason I made the mistake of downloading and installing the Cinnamon version. I was using it thinking “what on earth have Mint done to this? It’s awful. Applets that don’t work, banshee constantly crashing, uneditable panel even when the Edit the Panel option was chosen.” And then the penny dropped. I’m using some twisted version of Gnome 3. So, over to the Mate edition and all problems vanished immediately.

Enlightenment’s not too bad. It was doing graphic effects (the ripple effect) on the Desktop more than 10 years ago, when Compiz wasn’t even a twinkle in its Dad’s eye.

But, after a while even Enlightenment starts to appear as too rich and too tricksy.
And that’s when you find yourself seeking out ever more minimal window managers. You go to Windowmaker and then to fluxbox or blackbox. These window managers should be called “grrrr” or “damn, I’m so hard”. Then, when even they begin to appear as indulgent or overly complex, or even just a little bit too friendly, there’s the even more obscure Window managers.
Then one day you realise - I have a pc capable of a nice desktop, why am I staring at a plain background with no menus or buttons in sight? And you go back to a proper DE and it’s like coming home after a long camping holiday. Lo, the house contains carpets and a flushing toilet and a nice comfortable bed and you’ve done the tribal ancestor thing in your tent and now it’s time to get all suburban again.

Anyone tried this?
(Ubuntu Based distro with Enlightenment as the default desktop…) ??

Nope … I’ve been meaning to try it … it gets good reviews, and I want to give enlightenment a proper spin :slight_smile:

I just never seem to have the time for testing distro’s any more :frowning:

I have tried Bodhi, for few months earlier part of last year.
Was well impressed with it. If you want glitz without the overhead then this is it.
All the software worked OK except Enlightenment which occasionally needed re-setting the desktop.

I put it down at a time to the fact that E17 was not officially released then.
That should have improved considerably over the year gone by.

As for Gnome, it seems that even Mint (Cinnamon 2) will be abandoning it.
Cinnamon 2.0 in Linux Mint 16, no GNOME back-end

Yeh, I saw that earlier and thought of this topic :slight_smile:

Ok, I’ve been trialling Bodhi in a VM using the new KVM/SPICE interface … very nice. As soon as I get a break in my work I’m going to be re-installing my main workstation with Bodhi. It’s so much quicker than Gnome, it’s like moving from Firefox to Chrome … :slight_smile:

Ok, so I’ve been playing with Bodhi … it’s very nice … would recommend over Ubuntu for anyone remotely technical.

Just the fact that “terminology” is the default terminal application should be sufficient justification.